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	<title>Comments on: Science Fiction as Romance</title>
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		<title>By: Joseph Adamson</title>
		<link>http://fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca/2012/06/09/science-fiction-as-romance/comment-page-1/#comment-11936</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Adamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Depending on the context, according to Frye, the Utopia/anti-utopia is a form or satire or a form of romance. Just read these these two paragraphs from Notebook 19 (thanks to Dolzani&#039;s observation in his introduction to The &quot;Third book&quot; Notebooks (CW 9, xxi):

&quot;The Utopia is a form of satire, &amp; what it satirizes is anarchy. It flourishes when we feel afraid of anarchy, as in 19th c. laissez faire. If we feel more afraid of order, the anti-Utopia results. Bellamy&#039;s Looking Backward would, or certainly coud, be read today as a rather sinister book. Houston has no zoning laws: that indicates a strongly anti-Utopian sentiment in Houston; but no doubt Houston is building thruways &amp; clover leafs &amp; sewers and telephone exchanges on a vast Utopian scale.&quot;

&quot;The combination of aristocratic (Wells&#039; samurai) and revolutionary ideals makes the Utopia romance, a vision of society with the irony omitted. Hence the FQ [The Faerie Queene] is Utopian, &amp; the university or educational ideal is linked with the relation of the Utopia to the Cyropaedia, as well as the Symposium-Cortegiano tradition.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depending on the context, according to Frye, the Utopia/anti-utopia is a form or satire or a form of romance. Just read these these two paragraphs from Notebook 19 (thanks to Dolzani&#8217;s observation in his introduction to The &#8220;Third book&#8221; Notebooks (CW 9, xxi):</p>
<p>&#8220;The Utopia is a form of satire, &amp; what it satirizes is anarchy. It flourishes when we feel afraid of anarchy, as in 19th c. laissez faire. If we feel more afraid of order, the anti-Utopia results. Bellamy&#8217;s Looking Backward would, or certainly coud, be read today as a rather sinister book. Houston has no zoning laws: that indicates a strongly anti-Utopian sentiment in Houston; but no doubt Houston is building thruways &amp; clover leafs &amp; sewers and telephone exchanges on a vast Utopian scale.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The combination of aristocratic (Wells&#8217; samurai) and revolutionary ideals makes the Utopia romance, a vision of society with the irony omitted. Hence the FQ [The Faerie Queene] is Utopian, &amp; the university or educational ideal is linked with the relation of the Utopia to the Cyropaedia, as well as the Symposium-Cortegiano tradition.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Adamson</title>
		<link>http://fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca/2012/06/09/science-fiction-as-romance/comment-page-1/#comment-11935</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Adamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting point, Gene. The whole of science fiction is not romance. As suggested in the last excerpt, it is often part romance, part satire, what Atwood would insist is better termed speculative fiction, the satirical or ironic vision of utopian/dystopian societies--this is the area to which Atwood herself gravitates. Since this necessarily involves a strong element of fantasy and allegory it shares a good deal of territory with the conventions or tropes of romance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point, Gene. The whole of science fiction is not romance. As suggested in the last excerpt, it is often part romance, part satire, what Atwood would insist is better termed speculative fiction, the satirical or ironic vision of utopian/dystopian societies&#8211;this is the area to which Atwood herself gravitates. Since this necessarily involves a strong element of fantasy and allegory it shares a good deal of territory with the conventions or tropes of romance.</p>
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		<title>By: gene phillips</title>
		<link>http://fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca/2012/06/09/science-fiction-as-romance/comment-page-1/#comment-11934</link>
		<dc:creator>gene phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very enjoyable excerpts.  I personally wouldn&#039;t compare the whole of science fiction with romance, if indeed that&#039;s what Frye meant.  However, its corpus does take in and transform a lot of traditional romantic material, which is something often overlooked by critics like Amis, Suvin, or even Spinrad, who identified the &quot;power fantasies&quot; to be found in modern SF but tended to downgrade them as appeals to juvenile emotions rather than seeing them as valid literary tropes in themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very enjoyable excerpts.  I personally wouldn&#8217;t compare the whole of science fiction with romance, if indeed that&#8217;s what Frye meant.  However, its corpus does take in and transform a lot of traditional romantic material, which is something often overlooked by critics like Amis, Suvin, or even Spinrad, who identified the &#8220;power fantasies&#8221; to be found in modern SF but tended to downgrade them as appeals to juvenile emotions rather than seeing them as valid literary tropes in themselves.</p>
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